Pretty much agree 100% with you here. I've always thought the same thing about Paparazzis! Btw, that time in rural Indonesia must have been stressful as hell haha
Why? I don't think it's bad if the police tell people to stop harassing others with cameras, and arrest them if they persist. That's probably what would happen if it happened to us. I'm not saying they need to be shot on sight
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer - but you could say that about any law I propose. There are already harassment laws. Presumably it's possible to write them in such a way where we can prevent people for stalking each other with cameras.
No, I strongly disagree that it is possible to write a law that can apply even in its core sweep to only harassing camera use that you dislike, while protecting use that you like. My point is not that you're a lawyer; I don't think any lawyer could write such a law either.
Many many such statutes have been struck down by the courts on 1A and 5A grounds.
Ah Britain. The first Harassment law is almost certain unconstitutional in the U.S. under vagueness principles (causing a “reasonable person” to feel “distressed”) and the first amendment as interpreted in Counterman v. Colorado.
But even if these laws applied, the harassment law includes a knowledge men’s rea, so the reporter must *know* that a reasonable person would feel distress in response to their actions. I highly doubt any jury would convict paparazzi under that standard.
> I'm not really sure why it would be so hard to write a harassment law that would capture paparazzi harassment, and not ordinary camera use.
Well, you admit that you can’t write such a law, and I can’t, and it doesn’t look like anyone anywhere has done this… feel like the burden is on you here.
Pretty much agree 100% with you here. I've always thought the same thing about Paparazzis! Btw, that time in rural Indonesia must have been stressful as hell haha
My friend and I used to make a game of predicting how many times we'd be spoken to on our walks to the store, and we always underestimated it lol
I don my know what you mean by not “allowing” such things to exist. An attempt to stop such things by force would probably be bad.
Why? I don't think it's bad if the police tell people to stop harassing others with cameras, and arrest them if they persist. That's probably what would happen if it happened to us. I'm not saying they need to be shot on sight
How would you possibly word such a criminal provision in a way that could actually be applied?
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer - but you could say that about any law I propose. There are already harassment laws. Presumably it's possible to write them in such a way where we can prevent people for stalking each other with cameras.
No, I strongly disagree that it is possible to write a law that can apply even in its core sweep to only harassing camera use that you dislike, while protecting use that you like. My point is not that you're a lawyer; I don't think any lawyer could write such a law either.
Many many such statutes have been struck down by the courts on 1A and 5A grounds.
We have similar laws here. Why would something like these not work?
https://www.askthe.police.uk/view-category/?id=4ac7e112-6ad2-eb11-bacb-000d3ad61986#:~:text=offence%20of%20harassment.-,For%20harassment%20to%20be%20committed%2C%20there%20must%20be%20a%20'course,not%20be%20two%20isolated%20incidents.
I'm not really sure why it would be so hard to write a harassment law that would capture paparazzi harassment, and not ordinary camera use.
Ah Britain. The first Harassment law is almost certain unconstitutional in the U.S. under vagueness principles (causing a “reasonable person” to feel “distressed”) and the first amendment as interpreted in Counterman v. Colorado.
But even if these laws applied, the harassment law includes a knowledge men’s rea, so the reporter must *know* that a reasonable person would feel distress in response to their actions. I highly doubt any jury would convict paparazzi under that standard.
> I'm not really sure why it would be so hard to write a harassment law that would capture paparazzi harassment, and not ordinary camera use.
Well, you admit that you can’t write such a law, and I can’t, and it doesn’t look like anyone anywhere has done this… feel like the burden is on you here.