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Tommy Blanchard's avatar

"This sort of approach misses the whole point of philosophy. We’re not here to win debates, or make our interlocutors look bad. We’re here to gain a better understanding of the world"

Of course you would say this mere days before the verbal thrashing you will receive when we meet to hash out the whole consciousness thing

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Travis Talks's avatar

I agree that people sometimes bite bullets that don’t actually reflect what they believe in an attempt to remain consistent while clinging onto some prior position that they’ve voiced. And that this is especially prominent in discourse about animal ethics.

The one concern I would highlight though is what seems obvious or absurd varies from person to person.

For example, many people report having the intuition that it seems obvious to them that moral realism is true. I do not share this intuition - in fact it seems obvious to me that moral anti-realism is true.

There are other positions I hold, such as epistemic anti-realism, that many people would likely regard as me just biting obviously crazy bullets in a desperate attempt to avoid affirming moral realism. But this is not the case! I’ve always had epistemic anti-realist intuitions - the view has never appeared counterintuitive to me, let alone absurd.

Classical utilitarianism has many entailments that I would find deeply insane, but I wouldn’t accuse proponents of that view of valuing their own ego over taking philosophy seriously.

I’m a bit puzzled by some of your remarks on begging the question. You say the following:

“Now, Moorean Shifts in various scenarios may still fail. Maybe, for example, you think the skeptical Modus Ponens take on some issue is more plausible, and reject the Moorean Shift as a result - but my point is, they don’t fail because they’re invalid.”

Begging the question is an informal fallacy, not a formal one, so saying that an argument begs the question is not to say an argument is invalid. Begging the question doesn’t even suffice to make an argument unsound.

But I agree with you that there’s a risk of casting such a wide net when it comes to defining begging the question such that every argument would constitute begging the question.

Agree completely on appeals to authority. Fallacies are often misused on the internet, and the appeal to authority fallacy is one of the most common victims of this.

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