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Erick Wales's avatar

Hi Connor. I recently started following you and really enjoy your writing, especially the animal rights stuff. Thank you for sharing your perspective. I’ve been watching this dualism debate on Substack and I’d like to participate if you don’t mind.

"Imagine a world where instead of consciousness arising from functions in the brain, it arises from rocks. Just rocks sitting still doing nothing. The physicalist is committed to saying that these beings are conscious in some sense, but aren’t in another"

If I must imagine this world then I would say the physicalist is only committed to describe the physics of the rock and so the rock must have some measurable way for us to know it has consciousness (communication, movement, intention, etc), otherwise no physicalist in any imaginable world is even going to have this discussion.

If we assume then that the rock has a measurable “consciousness” that means one of two things: The rock has form and function different from rocks in our world (e.g. it could have moving parts or or some otherwise complex dynamic structure) OR there are different laws of physics and different equipment capable of measuring those aspects deemed “conscious” (Forces or energies or whatever you would like to conceive). How else would the imagined philosophers of this world consider that the rock was conscious to begin with?

Also, I think the heat example is actually much better than the H2O one. Although heat, the sensation of warmth (primary intention), can be imagined to come from slow moving particles (secondary intention) it cannot actually come from slow moving particles. At least not without completely changing all of physics in drastic ways (I am working on a way to describe this more clearly in the language of thermodynamics). I can “conceive” of heat in this way but it is metaphysically impossible.

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Tommy Blanchard's avatar

I'm happy to say the primary and secondary meanings don't coincide. When I'm naively conceiving things, I'm using a pretty loose conception of consciousness. Unlike with water/H20, the secondary meaning is the thing in dispute. If I think about it, I think the most likely thing is brain functions.

I can naively imagine rocks being conscious and enjoy a cartoon where they are. But if I take a minute to think about it, I realize "Oh right, there's no brain processing going on in there, I don't think this cartoon is showing me something actually possible!" and then my three-year-old has to deal with my ranting about the scientific inaccuracies in Morphle.

So to me the primary and secondary meanings being pulled out here are just the "naive not thinking about it" vs the "actually thinking about what underlies consciousness", and they seem to pretty obviously not coincide for a physicalist--or for anyone agnostic about what consciousness is.

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